Amway Global/Quixtar Censorship: UnAmerican Way

Again, I have to describe how Amway apologists operate. Robin Luymes, who operates a pro-Amway Blog in the Amway Opportunity Zone, is engaging in a very un-American censorship of free speech. He has taken it upon himself to 'school me' on the use of words which the Amway Propaganda Ministry deems a personal attack on others. I beg to differ. The words in question that Luymes seeks to censor on his Amway paid for blog are:

'cult'
'pyramid'
'kingpins'
'ambots'

The blog administrator seeks to squash anti-Amway comment and free speech on his forum by making the above words basically verboten. He claims to have become calloused to the use of the term 'cult' over the years he has worked for Amway. He claims that the terms 'kingpins' and 'ambots' are disrespectful, and claims he sends letters to news agencies asking them not to use the word 'pyramid' in conjunction with news articles related to Amway Global. I refer readers to these two blog posts by the Amway Propaganda Minister Robin Luymes (or Kia): Click here and here. Be sure to read the strings of comments under these posts. I have responded to some of the personal attacks against me by the likes of one snarly wench Bridgett Barron, the poster child for incivility, who attempts to use the Internet to promote her sad sack of Amway overpriced crappy goods. (At least she tries to sell something—not really a major goal of Amway distributors whose idea of running their business is to only buy, not sell; Doris and Joe Shaw also sought to sell Amway crap as well, but they had a little honesty problem.) Oh, by the way Bridgett, XS drinks do indeed taste like urine.

I just thought that Amway Global Cult Intervention readers might like to know how Amway operates its totalitarian product based pyramid scheme and how it allows the pernicious 'The Business Cult' to prey on its own adherents. David Brear has a great Amway expose up on Quixtar Cult Intervention that you can read by clicking here.

What Quixtar IBOs Need To Know About The IBOAI: Kingpin Distributors Looking Out For Their Own Greed Inspired Best Interests!

In past posts on this blog I have described Quixtar/Amway Global as being made up of three distinct groups of people. First, the company; second the kingpin distributors; and third everyone else (meaning you: the rank and file IBOs). The IBOAI is basically made up of successful :”top of the pyramid” kingpin distributors. They sit on a board which is elected by Emerald and above pin level IBOs to supposedly represent Independent Business Owners everywhere. These people love to describe themselves as IBOs but are actually made up of tool kingpins and for which an IBO commentator on this blog, Tex, has described as “Lying, Cowardly, Kingpins.” These wealthy distributors make up part of the group of distributors earning the lion's share of commissions generated in the Quixtar/Amway product based pyramid scheme. These self righteous distributors of the “tools for fools” rake in millions of dollars in profits promoting Quixtar propaganda to keep the later group buying the unremarkable, overpriced products, and most importantly, buying the training materials and function tickets. Many times it is their wealth, pictured as giant mansions, which inspire the newly recruited distributors to “pay the cost to be the boss.” The cost they pay is many times very high, making tool scamming and product based pyramid scheming very lucrative for them and the company. These distributors distribute more than tools and products. They serve their own greedy self interests while attempting to make the little fellow IBO believe that his/her interests are being protected.

A fellow blogger and former IBO, Amthrax, has recently described a situation on his blog involving one of these IBOAI kingpins, Greg Duncan, and the hypocrisy of the IBOAI to claim that Greg's “All In” energy drink does not compete with IBOs attempting to market XS, Quixtar's offering. Even industry "pundit of deceit" “Insider” IBOFightback sees through the hypocrisy and insane logic of this situation and the spin the IBOAI has put on the issue by their recent blog post titled “Rumor About Greg Duncan and All In Energy Drink”. The IBOAI blog defends beverage baron, Duncan, who is heavily invested in XS and claims that his interests in All In Energy do not violate any of the non-compete agreements every IBO signs with Quixtar as if these two products are not in competition with one another? Greg invests profits from XS sales into producing All In Energy Drink, and he and the IBOAI self righteously claim these products do not compete against one another? Actually these products do not compete against one another because of the self consumption model AmQuix operates, but of course this is something they will not openly admit.

Amway claims to market XS drinks to retail customers, but only a small percentage of these XS drinks ever reach a non-distributor customer. Retail sales to non-distributors are dismally small by percentage of total sales having been described recently as being 4.3%. That means IBOs buy the XS drinks almost exclusively making XS a monopoly product which does not in reality compete against the likes of Red Bull or All In or any of the other products picture above. The IBOAI must believe that “real world” customers are fair game for this “non-competing” product All In Energy Drink while not actually admitting the circumstances I am describing now.

Something really stinks in the “Land of Will!” These greedy kingpin distributors want to eat their cake and have it too! These weasels have painted themselves into a corner where there is no rat hole for them to escape. They believe they can make down line dupes believe their spin regardless how obvious their treachery is. The truth is, these folks many times take their Quixtar – Amway Global Profits and in the spirit of free enterprise invest them in other products and services. Do any of these investments violate the non-compete agreements they have made with Alticor? If the hype Quixtar makes about their independent business owners retailing their product to real world customers is to be believed, then yes, these All In Energy drinks do compete against XS! Quixtar has painted themselves into a corner also. They should enforce non-compete agreements with kingpin distributors which market similar products to retail customers which they claim to have (but in reality do not). Quixtar makes a big deal about retailing product in hopes to avoid product pyramid scheme allegations while they at the same time enjoy the proceeds from their pyramid!

The IBOAI portray themselves as promoting the interests of all IBOs while they really are protecting their own self interests. This is an obvious conflict of interest where the rank and file IBO distributor dupes are victimized as marks in a tool scam con job and are expected to believe all the lies these same kingpins use to justify their own greed. Isn't the entire system built exclusively around greed? The greed inspired IBOs believe in the wealth these greedy folk hold out as being possible. The company maintains their Jay Factor product pricing system out of greed which is obviously reflected in the outrageous prices duped dreamers are required to pay to play in the game. The IBOAI brag that the XS drink price (which is outrageously high to begin with) has not been raised for many years and claim that the All In Energy sales help make this pricing situation possible. More stupidity from folk who have been hoodwinking down line IBOs forever!

Orrin Woodward Responds: Is Transparency The Answer To Resolving Tool Scam Issues In Quixtar?

I am reprinting a comment made by Orrin Woodward to today's earlier “Greg Duncan” post. Readers are urged to read the earlier post on Greg Duncan by Clicking HERE. What follows is both Orrin Woodwards response to my post and a response to the Forbes article Climbing To The Top. The following is Orrin's comment:

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QCI,

I felt it proper to write in and share some of the differences in how Team operates compared to the Quixtar systems. I shared all of these facts in Forbes and some were used and many were not. Everyone has a right to their opinion and I do not write this in a spirit of attacking anyone.

Here it goes.

1. The $6 million income figure is combined MonaVie and Team money. I am a Presidential in MonaVie and will make either just over or just under $4 million this year. On the Team you cannot make more than 50% from tools and training than you did MonaVie so the most I could make from system is $2 million. All $2 million is going to pay legal fees and the Forbes reporter knew this, but chose not to disclose.

2. The total Team business in 2007 (Our biggest year by far) was $42 million in REVENUE (not profits) and according to Quixtar that produced a $200 million plus business with all Team customers. So when people say that I was more focused on Team sales when we sold 5 times as much of Quixtar products, this is not factual.

3. Quixtar makes approximately 30% profit according to many reliable sources (Jay Factor) so they made $60 million profit on our alleged scam of $42 million in revenue. The real issue was that Quixtar did not pay us for the $200 million revenue Quixtar business, unless you consider the $500k they would have paid me (had they paid me my bonuses) in 2007, is ample compensation for the $60 million they raked in. If there is a scam, isn’t the 60 million profit business a much bigger scam than the $42 million revenue business from the same people? Especially when people enjoy the information and training?

4. If you add up my former Quixtar revenue and Team revenue, you have just under $250 million revenue business. 80% plus was product flow buy only 20% of the income was produced from Quixtar. When someone accuses me of running a scam, I must be real poor at scams. Somehow I agreed to produce a $200 million business for Quixtar and only get paid $500k. MonaVie is willing to pay 8 times more for the same size group. I attempted to get Quixtar to lower their prices and increase the pay plan by reducing the Jay Factor. I told them I would lower tool prices to make the majority of our income from the product side and help more people win.

They refused and eventually ‘fired’ me although I told them I was leaving. I have lowered the system prices in MV and now MonaVie is the major income because we cannot make more than 50% from Team of what we are making in MonaVie. If Team profits go up above 50%, then we lower prices.

Hope this helps clarify this excellent discussion. I am glad to be out of Quixtar and focusing on creating a business that helps those who are willing to work, win. Thanks, Orrin
August 20, 2008 7:01 PM

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Readers, in light of Orrin's efforts toward transparency, might more of the same from current Quixtar tool kingpins help bring some kind of resolution to the tool scam? Could a similar cap on tool revenues help resolve the tool scam issues that Tex raises short of expelling the tool kingpins all together? Might openness remove some of the negative speculation that currently exists?

Orrin, thank you for shedding some much needed light on the situation currently going on within Quixtar where there is absolutely no cap on tool profits, something that you benefited by during your years with the company. Quixtar distributors might benefit by transparency and a cap on tool profits. Might weeding the Quixtar tool garden of useless and extraneous training materials and rallies also help?

Orrin, you raise an issue that I constantly point to as a disgrace: the high “Jay Factor” pricing which makes retailing Quixtar products nearly impossible. Quixtar acts if they are jealous of tool profits while maintaining a antiquated pricing strategy which brings them excessive profits as well.

There are three distinct groups of people involved in Quixtar. Two of these groups are obviously motivated by greed, while the third group make all the sacrifices in hopes of someday earning their piece of the take. Aren't there only so many Quixtar mansions to go around? For this reason, I can't advocate Quixtar as a good opportunity. It is an opportunity to make profits for the kingpin distributors and for the Amway company who ultimately benefit the most by people who are enthusiastically devoted to a cult motivational system that fleeces them like sheep and denies them a fair shake and a fair distribution of the profits!

QIAC

Quixtar Cult Guru Greg Duncan Said “Don't Tell Me What Toby From Tacoma Said...Tell Me What Forbes Said?" Okay, I Will!

A very recent Forbes article entitled “Climb To The Top” by Emily Lambert and Klaus Kneale has said something very interesting that Triple Diamond, Gregg Duncan, Guru in the World Wide Dream Builders Cult, has specifically asked his Quixtar distributors to tell him about. If you don't believe me you can hear Greg Duncan's own voice asking his question by CLICKING HERE. Forbes said in the subtitle to their article:

“Pyramid selling schemes are a dime a dozen. Orrin Woodward's organization is one step ahead of them all.”

Readers are encouraged to read what Forbes has said just as Quixtar Diamond kingpin Greg Duncan requested by CLICKING HERE. I guess Forbes called your bluff Greg! The Forbes article pretty much speaks for itself. Orrin Woodward, subject of one of the poll questions in the right panel of this page, is a former Quixtar/Amway tool kingpin like Greg and who switched pyramid schemes and is now selling his “tools for fools” enthusiasm for MonaVie, another pyramid selling scheme like Amway! Orrin Woodward provides an example of exactly how these pyramid selling companies operate. Just the fact that the Forbes article says the “P” word: “pyramid” is a major embarrassment that proponents of the Quixtar business specifically hope that you, the Quixtar prospect, will not see if you are investigating the business opportunity prior to making a decision whether to join or not.

Quixtar kingpin Duncan makes a big deal about Internet search engines being the bathroom wall of society, not to be trusted. He bemoans Tobby from Tacoma, Phil from Philadelphia, and Valerie from Vancouver and is also, by way of extrapolation, saying don't tell me what Quixtar Cult Intervention is saying. He goes on to say “Tell me what Forbes said; tell me what Fortune Magazine said...” Greg asks people to instead tell him what the respected authorities in business are saying about Quixtar. Sorry Greg, maybe what Tobby, Phil, Valerie, and I said are true in light of what Forbes is saying now. Aren't you really the deceptive cult leader here? What have you got to say about the Forbes article now that they too have described AmQuix as a MLM pyramid?

Amway Global Cult Intervention exposes the utter nonsense and fantasy that these merchant's of deception like Greg Duncan and Orrin Woodward present to their followers and to people considering involvement in their scams. If you aren't already involved in one of these scheming pyramids, good, stay that way. If you are involved, that is bad news for you! It isn't too late to save yourself from the con job these liars promote; you can do the intelligent thing and say goodbye to their scam! If there is only one thing you take away from your experience here at Quixtar Cult Intervention, may it be a decision to quit or to turn down the so called opportunity. Your time and money will be better spent following legitimate pursuits, not these dream inspired cults designed to make you lose. Quixtar cults, like the World Wide Dream Builders, destroy families, friendships, marriages, and completely ruin romantic relationships! (Are you listening my beloved One?) It has happened in my life and it can happen in yours as well if you let it. Remember, cults are never a good thing to be involved with.

Have you lost a loved one to one of these cults, or do you know someone considering one of these MLM pyramid schemes like Quixtar? You can forward this article to them by clicking on the envelope icon at the bottom. You don't have to sit idly by and watch these cults work their deceit in the lives of someone you care about; I don't and neither should you. If you have personal questions, you may email me at quixtarisacult@gmail.com.

Note: I must apologize. When I first published this post I had mistakenly attributed the audio to Ron Puryear. Luckily, the changes I've had to make to this post only corrected the mistaken name and actually do not effect the message I wished to convey. Thanks Scott Larsen for bringing this error to my attention.

The Dark Side of The Direct Selling Industry: Kirby, Quixtar, and Traveling Sales Crews

Would you believe that such a grand old name like Kirby vacuum cleaner has fallen into disrepute in the computer era? Here is another example of a once proud direct selling company going to the dogs. I know that I have seen quite a few Kirby vacuums in my life. They are interesting from an engineering point of view and I always considered the old Kirby vacuums to be very well designed for their time except for a minor, but important flaw. Kirby used a cast metal turbine that was susceptible to hard objects no bigger than carpet tacks or pennies. A whole repair industry popped up around the vacuum in support of replacing these splined discs. Of course these repair people were distributors who had gained the right or obtained a license to basically operate a monopoly service business. The repair industry (or servicing the account) has been a way for privileged distributors to make the extra money from servicing the machines.

For the most part, I've never seen many of the other Kirby door to door sales people really manage to make a good living just selling vacuums. But then again there may have been a hey day when this was possible. Current criticisms of Kirby have made them another example of a bad direct sales company, not something to be proud of. Kirby, Rainbow (another vacuum direct seller), Traveling Sales Crews, and the business cult; all bad deals! What is the world coming too?

The break even and profit comes from adding the service contracts or charges for servicing the units much the same way the Quixtar Kingpins service their tool customers. Many people work the Kirby sales business in the evening and work regular day jobs much the same way as Quixtar cult people do. It wasn't long before Kirby became flooded with con men types, people much like the traveling sales crews I talked about in Saturday's post. Some have multiple cons or ideas to push on the "Joneses" beside just a vacuum, magazine, or part time direct selling opportunity.

The direct selling industry at its very best can go very badly wrong. Many times it isn't the occasional rapist, murder, or child molestation that you hear about, but the average con man hiding behind some kind of scam business like Quixtar or Amway that flies under the radar and also does real harm. There's many a widow that have had a "cheat your neighbor" visit and whose life savings disappeared to a secondary con.

I've already outed the Quixtar Am-Bots who are always buying con artist instructions from the upline kingpin peddlers. Kirby is just another example of direct selling that feeds off of its own young like the Quixtar kingpin vultures do. Kirby is a company like Amway that was founded on generally good principles, but as time progressed has degenerated into another "desperate industry" like their other bad cousin Vinnie Amway. They make use of sales tools, seminar and rah rah meetings. Seems like many of these bad companies have to use an "enthusiasm machine" to keep people involved swallowing the camel.

Support groups and critical pages like QCI have appeared on the Internet to combat traveling sales crews abuses and to help people understand just how these bad operators work. One company, Southwestern, has been described as being as bad as Amway. Read a little for yourself by clicking here and here. This is one of these sales crew caravan rolling selling horror stories. Anyway the history of this company reads like a story right out of hell!!!

Amway Global a.k.a. Quixtar operates within a corrupt structure that involves mafia like kingpins. They operate within a suspect direct selling industry which is corrupt on two different levels: The Door to Door Con and The Phone You Up Con (run by the Am-bots).

Just as I said in Saturday's post, these truly bad actor sales crew type traveling con men circuses actually operate more legitimately than the AmQuix kingpin's Am Bots drones do. These people actually get out and sell something with the idea of making some money. It is too bad that these youthful sellers many times are abused and many times not paid. The Am-bots are maybe worse off. At least these youthful workers receive something for their hard selling work. Most of the Am-bots volunteer their own time, labor, and money without ever receiving a cent in profit.

Amway Global Cult Intervention serves as your clearing house for information about the Business cult, the Kingpins, the dirty little secrets, and provides answers to the personal problem of being tangled up in a business that does way more harm than good. Cults after all aren't good! Kingpins after all aren't good! Mafia structured business is not good! Victimizing yourself through self delusion is an even bigger crime against yourself, one you can avoid!

Not involved already you say? Good! Stay that way! Anyone needing help or assistance with a Quixtar situation or a family crisis, email me: quixtarisacult@gmail.com .