Amway Employee Describes IBO as a Fool for Buying Crap!

I was lucky enough to have the 'Amway Tooth Fairy' pay a visit to one of my blog posts. Not only did they visit, they left a dime under my pillow--in the way of a comment defending Amway's honor--as if such a thing could really exist?

A short explanation is necessary, so please follow along carefully as I will paint you a picture of Amway deceit and describe how an 'anonymous' individual behind computer IP address 167.23.0.93 left a comment under my Amway/How It Works/Marge's Story Post. If you haven't read about Marge's plight, take a short detour by clicking here. Many other regular readers--who are already familiar with my Marge's Story--will recall that Marge sent me a communication that told a horrific tale of how her finances were ruined by her Amway 'distributor' husband who played a game of deceit, not only on himself, but on Marge as well, running up $16,000 of debt ridden expense in four years of pursuing a Quixtar Land of Will inspired dream. (Not necessarily an uncommon theme amongst dream inspired devotees.)

Now, this is where the Alticor tooth fairy comes to my blog leaving a comment under the alias of 'anonymous' under Marge's Story post. The comment came in early in the day and my Google talk widgett immediately notified me that someone had left a comment on Marge's Story; as soon as I saw the content of the comment I immediately signed into my stat counter page and discovered that the commenter's message was sent from an Alticor computer IP address 167.23.0.93 with this ISP Path Out69s.datetelecomm.net (Alticor Inc) Ada, Michigan. Now that you know that the tooth fairy was without a doubt an Amway employee at the Ada, Michigan Headquarters, read the comment that follows. (Notice that who ever this person was, they have a very noticeable problem with capitalization.)

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Amway/How It Works/Marge's Story":

sad story, but how is this amway's fault? poor decisions + low motivation + credit card + some bad advice sprinkled in does not equal a problem with the company or even the concept.

this could happen to anyone in any business, or hobby for that matter...money can be blown on lots of useless things.

amway doesn't require that owners buy any of that crap, and after $16k if this person is not wise enough to know that they have a problem then it was a matter of time before a "fool and his money are soon separated".

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I had already informed readers about this comment on the Amway Soap Box Blog under Amway – Quixtar: Where Criminal Intent to Defraud Becomes “Caveat Emperor” to Alticor Employee! which I also urge you to read.

I want to bring to your attention the word 'crap' that I overlooked the first time I read Alticor's response. I already described how this mysterious person while working at an Alticor computer attempted to pose as any anonymous commenter to deflect blame away from Amway for Marge's horrific experience in a AmQuix household.

This tooth fairy had the nerve to call all the Amway 'stuff' that Marge's husband bought "CRAP": Wow, take a breath; what a revelation! Not something you ever thought you'd see being transmitted from an Alticor company keyboard at pyramid scheme headquarters?

What did this Quixtar "fool" squander his money on? Tools and functions; Overpriced products; and all the mostly disregarded overhead expenses.

Obviously Marge's husband was doing only what he was told to do, first by the upline and secondly by all the mind numbing audio tapes, CDs and books promoted by the motivation business ran by the greedy tool promoters, known as kingpins.

To now add insult to injury, this faceless Alticor person calls Marge's husband a fool for buying all the Amway crap. It seems to me, that if Alticor knows all the stuff that their distributors buy is crap, aren't they truly guilty of intentionally defrauding their own 'distributors'?

Amway, headquarter in Ada, Michigan, head up a pernicious World wide cult which is is overseen by greedy tool promoters who operate their secondary scam on the backs the believers of the Amway Myth. In the light of Marge's victimization, the home office is disavowing any responsibility in the matter, placing the blame for buying all the 'crap' on the victim's husband and in a sort of ironic way passing the blame onto the tool scamming kingpins for enticing their downlines to consume this crap as if it were more important than breathing oxygen, putting food on the table, or making the mortgage payment.

Dear Anonymous Alticor Tooth Fairy, thank you for leaving your dime under my pillow. Amway product and tools are indeed crap; thanks for confirming what I already knew. I can sleep peacefully now, knowing that even Amway thinks their products and tools are crap! I had already proven that to my own satisfaction because those training materials that the kingpin distributors sell for 'top dollar' to their downlines, only sell for pennies on the dollar on eBay--that is if they even get a bid at all. Tex-the used tool lord--can't possibly afford to buy them all even at their penny a pound price; therefore, lack of demand drives their yard sale-like price. EBay tool sellers most likely make more off of their shipping charges than from the product being auctioned. If for chance anyone happens to take a look see at the eBay offerings in the Amway/Quixtar category, you will also discover that Amway/Quixtar products are also being offered up at the same yard sale cut-throat prices as well. Makes me wonder why Amway believers are willing to take such a 'bath' on these supposedly wonderful--supposedly high quality--badly overpriced products? I guess the sellers probably discovered the products and tools really are CRAP exactly as the Amway tooth fairy describes them.

When the dream dies, the appetite for Amway craps dies along with the dream. Word Up! - quixtarisacult

Orrin Woodward Responds: Is Transparency The Answer To Resolving Tool Scam Issues In Quixtar?

I am reprinting a comment made by Orrin Woodward to today's earlier “Greg Duncan” post. Readers are urged to read the earlier post on Greg Duncan by Clicking HERE. What follows is both Orrin Woodwards response to my post and a response to the Forbes article Climbing To The Top. The following is Orrin's comment:

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QCI,

I felt it proper to write in and share some of the differences in how Team operates compared to the Quixtar systems. I shared all of these facts in Forbes and some were used and many were not. Everyone has a right to their opinion and I do not write this in a spirit of attacking anyone.

Here it goes.

1. The $6 million income figure is combined MonaVie and Team money. I am a Presidential in MonaVie and will make either just over or just under $4 million this year. On the Team you cannot make more than 50% from tools and training than you did MonaVie so the most I could make from system is $2 million. All $2 million is going to pay legal fees and the Forbes reporter knew this, but chose not to disclose.

2. The total Team business in 2007 (Our biggest year by far) was $42 million in REVENUE (not profits) and according to Quixtar that produced a $200 million plus business with all Team customers. So when people say that I was more focused on Team sales when we sold 5 times as much of Quixtar products, this is not factual.

3. Quixtar makes approximately 30% profit according to many reliable sources (Jay Factor) so they made $60 million profit on our alleged scam of $42 million in revenue. The real issue was that Quixtar did not pay us for the $200 million revenue Quixtar business, unless you consider the $500k they would have paid me (had they paid me my bonuses) in 2007, is ample compensation for the $60 million they raked in. If there is a scam, isn’t the 60 million profit business a much bigger scam than the $42 million revenue business from the same people? Especially when people enjoy the information and training?

4. If you add up my former Quixtar revenue and Team revenue, you have just under $250 million revenue business. 80% plus was product flow buy only 20% of the income was produced from Quixtar. When someone accuses me of running a scam, I must be real poor at scams. Somehow I agreed to produce a $200 million business for Quixtar and only get paid $500k. MonaVie is willing to pay 8 times more for the same size group. I attempted to get Quixtar to lower their prices and increase the pay plan by reducing the Jay Factor. I told them I would lower tool prices to make the majority of our income from the product side and help more people win.

They refused and eventually ‘fired’ me although I told them I was leaving. I have lowered the system prices in MV and now MonaVie is the major income because we cannot make more than 50% from Team of what we are making in MonaVie. If Team profits go up above 50%, then we lower prices.

Hope this helps clarify this excellent discussion. I am glad to be out of Quixtar and focusing on creating a business that helps those who are willing to work, win. Thanks, Orrin
August 20, 2008 7:01 PM

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Readers, in light of Orrin's efforts toward transparency, might more of the same from current Quixtar tool kingpins help bring some kind of resolution to the tool scam? Could a similar cap on tool revenues help resolve the tool scam issues that Tex raises short of expelling the tool kingpins all together? Might openness remove some of the negative speculation that currently exists?

Orrin, thank you for shedding some much needed light on the situation currently going on within Quixtar where there is absolutely no cap on tool profits, something that you benefited by during your years with the company. Quixtar distributors might benefit by transparency and a cap on tool profits. Might weeding the Quixtar tool garden of useless and extraneous training materials and rallies also help?

Orrin, you raise an issue that I constantly point to as a disgrace: the high “Jay Factor” pricing which makes retailing Quixtar products nearly impossible. Quixtar acts if they are jealous of tool profits while maintaining a antiquated pricing strategy which brings them excessive profits as well.

There are three distinct groups of people involved in Quixtar. Two of these groups are obviously motivated by greed, while the third group make all the sacrifices in hopes of someday earning their piece of the take. Aren't there only so many Quixtar mansions to go around? For this reason, I can't advocate Quixtar as a good opportunity. It is an opportunity to make profits for the kingpin distributors and for the Amway company who ultimately benefit the most by people who are enthusiastically devoted to a cult motivational system that fleeces them like sheep and denies them a fair shake and a fair distribution of the profits!

QIAC

Does Buying Badly Overpriced Quixtar Products At Company Discount Make One A Smart Consumer?

Quixtar/Amway Global offers products at prices that generally shock most thinking consumers. I know when I was first exposed to Quixtar pricing I was shocked to learn how much more they wanted for such common goods as pet foods, cosmetics, vitamins and so forth.

Amy Robinson, a Direct Selling Association Blogger has said she believes that a person who signs up with a direct selling company to get the discount makes them a smart consumer. I have to strongly disagree, especially where Quixtar is the company. You may read her post and all the comments under it here. Badly overpriced products minus distributor discount still equals badly overpriced discounted products. Would anyone in their right mind believe that a case of cat food priced at $20 will be a "smart" buy even with a distributor discount? Good quality 9 Lives cat food can be purchased at a nationwide retailer for roughly $8 per case. There isn't much logic in receiving a discount when the product is still badly overpriced with a company discount. I already know my cats like the 9 Lives brand much better than the generic canned cat food Quixtar offers.

Quixtar distributor discounts are another con on the distributor/consumer of their badly (outrageously) over priced basket of goods. Does a Quixtar distributor get "paid" for buying Quixtar products? I hardly think so. This is just not rational thinking! Distributors are exposed to deceit ridden propaganda to influence them to keep kissing the Quixtar Blarney Stone.

Dear IBO, are you tired of kissing the Quixtar/Amway Blarney Stone? Aren't you really buying the overpriced products to maintain your monthly quota and keep your dream alive? Are you a duped dreamer or a smart consumer? Quixtar Cult Intervention teaches a better way.