Amway Global/Quixtar Merchants of Deception Always Bragging Up Their Midgets: Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?

Seems like everyone wants to brag on their own midget. Dear reader, have you ever seen the movie "Oh Brother Where Art Thou?" where one of the candidates for governor in this farcical movie has this "little man" midget holding a broom while sweeping the incumbent governor's corruption out of office in a campaign ploy every bit as comical as some of the pandering to voters that is going on in the current presidential election?

It seems like Amway and its proponents try to use each and every situation as a propaganda tool. In effect, they are bragging up their own little midgets. This gets a little strange when they must brag on athletes that lose, woman executives that rank 88th on some Forbes list, and products like XS energy drinks that really don't retail outside of the product pyramid scheme farce of a business they operate. Oh Brother! Where Art Thou?

For instance, if you were to believe the propaganda tool kingpins dish out on their IBOAI blog, XS drinks are a retail success on the open market. Technically, these products are supposedly marketed on the competitive retail market, but in reality they are a monopoly product which do not compete in any meaningful numbers except against the other monopoly products in the Quixtar catalog.

Distributors of Amway products are very much viewed as the primary customers in the Amway business. Take the IBOs out of the retail equation and over 95% of sales volume would disappear immediately. To hear the spin Amway proponents make about this situation, you might think that Amway operates a buying club instead of a retail business.

Amway claims in their most recent TV commercials to help over three million people own and operate their own business. Isn't this spin and hype designed to convince these three million folk that they are involved in a good situation, all the while being involved in what almost always ends up a money losing pursuit when the bottom line is carefully examined? (This is not really encouraged by these merchants of deception who expect these Amway independents to incur loss in order to enrich themselves as well as keeping distributor money going into Amway coffers.

It is my opinion that even if the tool scammers are completely reigned in, the product pyramid side of this bad business model will remain. Things could be done to fix this situation, but this isn't likely either. The MLM business model almost always make product prices too high to market outside of the monopoly these companies like Amway hold over their distributors who are for all intents and purposes the only customers they have! There are too many levels of compensation that must be paid to middlemen in these pyramid compensation schemes, and then there are the millions of dollars that go to pay lawyers to defend themselves from allegations of corruption and racketeering.

Unlike a real business, Amway passes on much of their marketing overhead onto these supposed "independents" which make the pursuit of a real world profit for these consumers nearly impossible. I couldn't imagine being out on the road night after night trying to sell this con job business onto prospects with the cost of fuel being so high, and also where the objective isn't really to retail a single item in the product catalog. The selling of the plan to recruits immediately bring profits to the company and the kingpins who have someone new to market their “tools for fools” but the duped believer doing the recruiting can only hope to receive a very small cut of any volume the newly recruited might make, while the majority of these commissions go to someone else way farther up the middleman chain!

The first law of business is to make a profit, something so very few duped dreamers manage to do in these scam MLM operations. Of course, there are those that do make money, and these few provide the “success stories” that keeps the majority of “independents” believing in the plan which only ends up extracting their money in the end. It is the people who become "CORE" that usually find themselves suckered out of their money the most! A person who gets in and who "quixly" becomes disillusioned and quits is far better off financially than the duped believers who do not and continue to funnel their money to corrupt mafia like kingpins and their soldiers.

Amway Global Cult Intervention offers hope to people who are flushing their cash into this product pyramid scheme and into the coffers of mafia like racketeers selling all the lies, enthusiasm wrapped into a neat little package called the tool and function business; a pyramid scheme within the pyramid scheme. If you are involved in the bad situation I've described in this blog post, you can cut your losses and quit. If you are looking at this business because some one has shown you the plan, you can immediately do the right thing, don't join, and keep the money these folk seek to extract from you where it belongs, in your own bank account.

Tool Kingpins Spend Millions To Defend Themselves Against Pyramid and Racketeering Allegations! IBO Aren't You Involved in Their Corruption?

It is fortunate that being a tool kingpin is such a lucrative affair because it takes millions of dollars to defend ones self from pyramid scheme and racketeering charges! This happens to be the current state of affairs that the Quixtar/Amway Global tool kingpins find themselves in. Seems that Alticor and these tool kingpins have been named in so many legal actions that I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the complexities these merchants of deceit must find themselves facing. For instance, one case: Pokorny et. al. Vs Quixtar et. al. Case Number C 07 0201 is just one of many suits that threatens the very existence of Quixtar and the money extracting pyramids of greed the kingpins operate. Pokorny sums up many of the corruption allegations I have described these kingpins of corruption of being involved in. The suit against the company and the kingpins can be read by clicking here. Remember that this is just one of many corruption suits being brought against these folk.

Recently Orrin Woodward, former Quixtar tool kingpin, left a comment on this blog that became subject of a August 20, 2008 post which can be read by clicking here. Orrin says, as a result of the cap MonaVie has placed on tool revenues, he made only two million dollars from his extensive Team “tool and function” business, ALL OF WHICH IS GOING TO PAY LEGAL FEES!

In the face of the profits Quixtar tool kingpin types realize from their money extracting pursuits, aren't lawyers actually reaping much of the ill gotten gain these corrupt dons rake in? I can't say I feel sorry for these crooked folk who deserve to be sitting at the defendant's table and who must dish out their cash to legal firms to keep their teat from being rolled through the legal wringer.

For distributors dreaming to be like these supposedly successful kingpins, IS THIS SOMEONE YOU WANT TO EMULATE? IBO, isn't this your money going into the hands of these merchants of deceit? Isn't it also your money that is going into the rat hole these lawyers represent? Wouldn't your money be better kept in your pocket rather than going to support large scale corruption? Shouldn't this be a moral issue for you also? You are funding corruption just the same way cocaine addicts fund corrupt Columbian drug lords!

The legal system has been described as grinding very slowly, but eventually juries will be sitting in judgment of these tool kingpin defendants. IBO, aren't these Juries also going to be indirectly sitting in judgment of you for supporting this corruption by your continual funneling of your money to these racketeering kingpins? Aren't you involving yourself in corruption? “Now You Know!”

Lawyers view these Quixtar executives and tool kingpin distributors as having deep pockets because of all the money they extract from you Mr. & Mrs. IBO. An ideal situation for them. There is much filthy lucre to be gained by lawyers on both sides of the numerous litigation that Amway and the tool kingpins are currently involved in no matter who is doing the suing and who is being sued! Everyone is a loser in these legal affairs except for the lawyers who will obviously come out on top in a bad situation for everyone else including you, the duped distributor. Is it any wonder Amway maintains such a high “Jay Factor” price on all its products? Amway wants to pass on all the cost of these legal proceedings onto their “independents” which become less “independent” when they have to saddle the cost of paying the Alticor lawyers as well as the tool scammer lawyers as well.

Amway Global Cult Intervention must urge people involved with these kingpin defendants to do the right thing and get out of the business of funneling money to these pyramid scheming racketeers; make a moral decision not to knowingly be involved with them. These kingpins are morally corrupt and people supporting them must also question their own involvement. Many times these kingpin distributors represent themselves as Christian businessmen, but in the face of what can be known about them and their operations, would a Christian really want to be involved with these merchants of deceit? Isn't greed at the heart of their perversion of faith, and do they not preach a different gospel?

What Quixtar IBOs Need To Know About The IBOAI: Kingpin Distributors Looking Out For Their Own Greed Inspired Best Interests!

In past posts on this blog I have described Quixtar/Amway Global as being made up of three distinct groups of people. First, the company; second the kingpin distributors; and third everyone else (meaning you: the rank and file IBOs). The IBOAI is basically made up of successful :”top of the pyramid” kingpin distributors. They sit on a board which is elected by Emerald and above pin level IBOs to supposedly represent Independent Business Owners everywhere. These people love to describe themselves as IBOs but are actually made up of tool kingpins and for which an IBO commentator on this blog, Tex, has described as “Lying, Cowardly, Kingpins.” These wealthy distributors make up part of the group of distributors earning the lion's share of commissions generated in the Quixtar/Amway product based pyramid scheme. These self righteous distributors of the “tools for fools” rake in millions of dollars in profits promoting Quixtar propaganda to keep the later group buying the unremarkable, overpriced products, and most importantly, buying the training materials and function tickets. Many times it is their wealth, pictured as giant mansions, which inspire the newly recruited distributors to “pay the cost to be the boss.” The cost they pay is many times very high, making tool scamming and product based pyramid scheming very lucrative for them and the company. These distributors distribute more than tools and products. They serve their own greedy self interests while attempting to make the little fellow IBO believe that his/her interests are being protected.

A fellow blogger and former IBO, Amthrax, has recently described a situation on his blog involving one of these IBOAI kingpins, Greg Duncan, and the hypocrisy of the IBOAI to claim that Greg's “All In” energy drink does not compete with IBOs attempting to market XS, Quixtar's offering. Even industry "pundit of deceit" “Insider” IBOFightback sees through the hypocrisy and insane logic of this situation and the spin the IBOAI has put on the issue by their recent blog post titled “Rumor About Greg Duncan and All In Energy Drink”. The IBOAI blog defends beverage baron, Duncan, who is heavily invested in XS and claims that his interests in All In Energy do not violate any of the non-compete agreements every IBO signs with Quixtar as if these two products are not in competition with one another? Greg invests profits from XS sales into producing All In Energy Drink, and he and the IBOAI self righteously claim these products do not compete against one another? Actually these products do not compete against one another because of the self consumption model AmQuix operates, but of course this is something they will not openly admit.

Amway claims to market XS drinks to retail customers, but only a small percentage of these XS drinks ever reach a non-distributor customer. Retail sales to non-distributors are dismally small by percentage of total sales having been described recently as being 4.3%. That means IBOs buy the XS drinks almost exclusively making XS a monopoly product which does not in reality compete against the likes of Red Bull or All In or any of the other products picture above. The IBOAI must believe that “real world” customers are fair game for this “non-competing” product All In Energy Drink while not actually admitting the circumstances I am describing now.

Something really stinks in the “Land of Will!” These greedy kingpin distributors want to eat their cake and have it too! These weasels have painted themselves into a corner where there is no rat hole for them to escape. They believe they can make down line dupes believe their spin regardless how obvious their treachery is. The truth is, these folks many times take their Quixtar – Amway Global Profits and in the spirit of free enterprise invest them in other products and services. Do any of these investments violate the non-compete agreements they have made with Alticor? If the hype Quixtar makes about their independent business owners retailing their product to real world customers is to be believed, then yes, these All In Energy drinks do compete against XS! Quixtar has painted themselves into a corner also. They should enforce non-compete agreements with kingpin distributors which market similar products to retail customers which they claim to have (but in reality do not). Quixtar makes a big deal about retailing product in hopes to avoid product pyramid scheme allegations while they at the same time enjoy the proceeds from their pyramid!

The IBOAI portray themselves as promoting the interests of all IBOs while they really are protecting their own self interests. This is an obvious conflict of interest where the rank and file IBO distributor dupes are victimized as marks in a tool scam con job and are expected to believe all the lies these same kingpins use to justify their own greed. Isn't the entire system built exclusively around greed? The greed inspired IBOs believe in the wealth these greedy folk hold out as being possible. The company maintains their Jay Factor product pricing system out of greed which is obviously reflected in the outrageous prices duped dreamers are required to pay to play in the game. The IBOAI brag that the XS drink price (which is outrageously high to begin with) has not been raised for many years and claim that the All In Energy sales help make this pricing situation possible. More stupidity from folk who have been hoodwinking down line IBOs forever!

Orrin Woodward Responds: Is Transparency The Answer To Resolving Tool Scam Issues In Quixtar?

I am reprinting a comment made by Orrin Woodward to today's earlier “Greg Duncan” post. Readers are urged to read the earlier post on Greg Duncan by Clicking HERE. What follows is both Orrin Woodwards response to my post and a response to the Forbes article Climbing To The Top. The following is Orrin's comment:

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QCI,

I felt it proper to write in and share some of the differences in how Team operates compared to the Quixtar systems. I shared all of these facts in Forbes and some were used and many were not. Everyone has a right to their opinion and I do not write this in a spirit of attacking anyone.

Here it goes.

1. The $6 million income figure is combined MonaVie and Team money. I am a Presidential in MonaVie and will make either just over or just under $4 million this year. On the Team you cannot make more than 50% from tools and training than you did MonaVie so the most I could make from system is $2 million. All $2 million is going to pay legal fees and the Forbes reporter knew this, but chose not to disclose.

2. The total Team business in 2007 (Our biggest year by far) was $42 million in REVENUE (not profits) and according to Quixtar that produced a $200 million plus business with all Team customers. So when people say that I was more focused on Team sales when we sold 5 times as much of Quixtar products, this is not factual.

3. Quixtar makes approximately 30% profit according to many reliable sources (Jay Factor) so they made $60 million profit on our alleged scam of $42 million in revenue. The real issue was that Quixtar did not pay us for the $200 million revenue Quixtar business, unless you consider the $500k they would have paid me (had they paid me my bonuses) in 2007, is ample compensation for the $60 million they raked in. If there is a scam, isn’t the 60 million profit business a much bigger scam than the $42 million revenue business from the same people? Especially when people enjoy the information and training?

4. If you add up my former Quixtar revenue and Team revenue, you have just under $250 million revenue business. 80% plus was product flow buy only 20% of the income was produced from Quixtar. When someone accuses me of running a scam, I must be real poor at scams. Somehow I agreed to produce a $200 million business for Quixtar and only get paid $500k. MonaVie is willing to pay 8 times more for the same size group. I attempted to get Quixtar to lower their prices and increase the pay plan by reducing the Jay Factor. I told them I would lower tool prices to make the majority of our income from the product side and help more people win.

They refused and eventually ‘fired’ me although I told them I was leaving. I have lowered the system prices in MV and now MonaVie is the major income because we cannot make more than 50% from Team of what we are making in MonaVie. If Team profits go up above 50%, then we lower prices.

Hope this helps clarify this excellent discussion. I am glad to be out of Quixtar and focusing on creating a business that helps those who are willing to work, win. Thanks, Orrin
August 20, 2008 7:01 PM

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Readers, in light of Orrin's efforts toward transparency, might more of the same from current Quixtar tool kingpins help bring some kind of resolution to the tool scam? Could a similar cap on tool revenues help resolve the tool scam issues that Tex raises short of expelling the tool kingpins all together? Might openness remove some of the negative speculation that currently exists?

Orrin, thank you for shedding some much needed light on the situation currently going on within Quixtar where there is absolutely no cap on tool profits, something that you benefited by during your years with the company. Quixtar distributors might benefit by transparency and a cap on tool profits. Might weeding the Quixtar tool garden of useless and extraneous training materials and rallies also help?

Orrin, you raise an issue that I constantly point to as a disgrace: the high “Jay Factor” pricing which makes retailing Quixtar products nearly impossible. Quixtar acts if they are jealous of tool profits while maintaining a antiquated pricing strategy which brings them excessive profits as well.

There are three distinct groups of people involved in Quixtar. Two of these groups are obviously motivated by greed, while the third group make all the sacrifices in hopes of someday earning their piece of the take. Aren't there only so many Quixtar mansions to go around? For this reason, I can't advocate Quixtar as a good opportunity. It is an opportunity to make profits for the kingpin distributors and for the Amway company who ultimately benefit the most by people who are enthusiastically devoted to a cult motivational system that fleeces them like sheep and denies them a fair shake and a fair distribution of the profits!

QIAC

Dirty Little Secrets of Their Little Quixtar Cult PART II

To continue the woe of the tool kingpin expose, again Big Hat reveals some information that made me understand the connection between Quixtar Amway tool kingpins and down line distributors. Actually the Kingpins see the down line distributors as “yes”, of all things "DISTRIBUTORS" of the "Tools for Fools literary club. "The Business Cult” down line distributors are roped into doing the bidding of their cult leaders kingpins in this scheme.

Big Hat tells me a few things from time to time. He is of the opinion that the Kingpins are doing way more to promote a utter fleecing of the sheep then I'd ever have imagined possible. The insider information seems to point at a particular "near-soldier" in the "organization". At this point I must stop to remind you that the kingpin's organization has been described as being structured similarly to that of the syndicate, which in my opinion, is reason enough not to become involved in a Quixtar Amway opportunity anything; indeed this goes for nearly any MLM scheme many of which operate like a cousin Vinnie to Amway.

A dirty little secret is that there are these "near soldier" folks who are out pushing their own agenda onto the "over-sold" dream believers. This is a continual pushing of the tools, the mostly useless propaganda and blarney that the cult is instructed to believe (regardless whether it actually does more harm than good). These types of people act like a baby vultures. You might say these baby vultures could be comparable to drug pushers. Tool Kingpin after all secretly advocate their own greedy interests while trying to make the "Independent Business Owners" believe they are advocating their success: quite a duplexity! The tool scam has been outed and continues to be a problem of ever concern for kingpin panderers of deceit.

An article on Forbes “Climbing To The Top" has shed some light on just how kingpins like bad boy Orrin Woodward works. This article Dirty Little Secrets of Their Dirty Little Quixtar cult part II is well ahead of the curve. I would have to say that Monavie sure got a black eye from the Forbes Article, and just like being in the ring at a prize fight, you can get a nice head-butt from the guy in front who took a full shot if you know what I mean. And that is what happened to Amway., and since Amway was standing right behind, Amway got a black eye too. That is how I describe this situation. I am not going to try and spin it like others might. It is just another major embarrassment for both companies. These people after all are not angels. Former Am-Kingpin Woodward shines light on a very nasty situation going on in Quixtar. I call it the tools for the fools club.

The recent tool scam and revelations made by Big Hat, and now this Forbes article just goes to show that there is a stir in cyberspace, that the tool scam is being widely circulated. As the Quixtar environment heats up with the reputation rehab ad campaign so does the pace of critical notice. It would seem that our government agencies are tangled up in red tape and are unwilling or unconcerned enough to step in and do something about it. One thing I can tell you for certain is that the fleecing of all the lambs still continues. The kingpins are the turkey vultures sitting on their money perch who look down on their valley of duped carrion and feel smug that they are the only real winners in a cruel game where nearly everyone else are losers in the long and short of things. These are secrets that your up line does not want you to know and part of the dirty little secrets of their little Quixtar Cult horror story expose.

The tool scam, the product scam, and the business cult scam are reason enough to stay far removed from Amway anything; Quixtar sucks, Amway sucks, Alticore sucks, and I would be very skeptical about even MonaVie nosing in for a nipple? Which seems to suck a little too! Amway Global Cult Intervention serves to help mankind become free of pernicious business cults. People are being harmed and flushed routinely by these meat grinders of a business, which is really front for the cult and as every one knows, nothing good goes on in a cult.

Amway Global Cult Intervention continues to pull the rug out from under these Amway Genies. There may be a lot of other reasons to not to want to waste you time on Amway, but these tool kingpin scoundrels are one of the biggest! Orrin may be bragging but he pulled the covers off of these other greedy kingpins and their money making machine that the Quixtar cult drones keep walking through. Beware of Amway!

Amway Sucks! Quixtar Sucks! Alticor Sucks! See Tracy Coenen's Fraud Files Article On The Truth About Amway

The Administrator of Fraud Files, Tracy Coenen, has written a article on her website describing the Quixtar/Amway business opportunity. You can read it by clicking the title to todays post or by clicking here.

Tracy has gone a long way toward exposing the Quixtar/Amway Tool Scam and it will only be through concerted efforts of people like Tracy, the news media, and every day people to get the word out about these scammers and the games they play.

People can actually believe in the dreams and deceptions of this "Business" Cult. That is what fuels the billions of dollars this company extracts from their barely legal pyramid scheme. Add to that the money the Tool Kingpin scammers fleece and one can see the harm done. These people turn around and use this money to buy influence in our government to keep their scheme operating. Their focus is to now proselytize dreamers in emerging countries of the world where the true nature of their bad biz isn't understood. The American Scam is an embarrassment to this country much the same way as the Nigerian Check Scam is to that country.

Internet Critics, Bloggers and concerned citizens leaving comments go a long way to "Getting the word out." Our governmental agencies are not concerned about shutting these con men down, so the next best thing is make truth about Amway very public.

Quixtar Cult Intervention exists to provide a place where people who have been harmed by the Business Cult to come, learn, and express views. A coven of online cult imbued Ambots exists and congregate at the industry INSIDER web forum. These folk may be too far gone to help, but exposure to their own "Dirty Little Secrets" may make many begin to question their maybe not so great opportunity. I urge present IBO readers to fully examine the Tool Scam information in previous posts, and to see what another IBO has revealed about the lying cowardly kingpins.