Amway Employee Describes IBO as a Fool for Buying Crap!

I was lucky enough to have the 'Amway Tooth Fairy' pay a visit to one of my blog posts. Not only did they visit, they left a dime under my pillow--in the way of a comment defending Amway's honor--as if such a thing could really exist?

A short explanation is necessary, so please follow along carefully as I will paint you a picture of Amway deceit and describe how an 'anonymous' individual behind computer IP address 167.23.0.93 left a comment under my Amway/How It Works/Marge's Story Post. If you haven't read about Marge's plight, take a short detour by clicking here. Many other regular readers--who are already familiar with my Marge's Story--will recall that Marge sent me a communication that told a horrific tale of how her finances were ruined by her Amway 'distributor' husband who played a game of deceit, not only on himself, but on Marge as well, running up $16,000 of debt ridden expense in four years of pursuing a Quixtar Land of Will inspired dream. (Not necessarily an uncommon theme amongst dream inspired devotees.)

Now, this is where the Alticor tooth fairy comes to my blog leaving a comment under the alias of 'anonymous' under Marge's Story post. The comment came in early in the day and my Google talk widgett immediately notified me that someone had left a comment on Marge's Story; as soon as I saw the content of the comment I immediately signed into my stat counter page and discovered that the commenter's message was sent from an Alticor computer IP address 167.23.0.93 with this ISP Path Out69s.datetelecomm.net (Alticor Inc) Ada, Michigan. Now that you know that the tooth fairy was without a doubt an Amway employee at the Ada, Michigan Headquarters, read the comment that follows. (Notice that who ever this person was, they have a very noticeable problem with capitalization.)

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Amway/How It Works/Marge's Story":

sad story, but how is this amway's fault? poor decisions + low motivation + credit card + some bad advice sprinkled in does not equal a problem with the company or even the concept.

this could happen to anyone in any business, or hobby for that matter...money can be blown on lots of useless things.

amway doesn't require that owners buy any of that crap, and after $16k if this person is not wise enough to know that they have a problem then it was a matter of time before a "fool and his money are soon separated".

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I had already informed readers about this comment on the Amway Soap Box Blog under Amway – Quixtar: Where Criminal Intent to Defraud Becomes “Caveat Emperor” to Alticor Employee! which I also urge you to read.

I want to bring to your attention the word 'crap' that I overlooked the first time I read Alticor's response. I already described how this mysterious person while working at an Alticor computer attempted to pose as any anonymous commenter to deflect blame away from Amway for Marge's horrific experience in a AmQuix household.

This tooth fairy had the nerve to call all the Amway 'stuff' that Marge's husband bought "CRAP": Wow, take a breath; what a revelation! Not something you ever thought you'd see being transmitted from an Alticor company keyboard at pyramid scheme headquarters?

What did this Quixtar "fool" squander his money on? Tools and functions; Overpriced products; and all the mostly disregarded overhead expenses.

Obviously Marge's husband was doing only what he was told to do, first by the upline and secondly by all the mind numbing audio tapes, CDs and books promoted by the motivation business ran by the greedy tool promoters, known as kingpins.

To now add insult to injury, this faceless Alticor person calls Marge's husband a fool for buying all the Amway crap. It seems to me, that if Alticor knows all the stuff that their distributors buy is crap, aren't they truly guilty of intentionally defrauding their own 'distributors'?

Amway, headquarter in Ada, Michigan, head up a pernicious World wide cult which is is overseen by greedy tool promoters who operate their secondary scam on the backs the believers of the Amway Myth. In the light of Marge's victimization, the home office is disavowing any responsibility in the matter, placing the blame for buying all the 'crap' on the victim's husband and in a sort of ironic way passing the blame onto the tool scamming kingpins for enticing their downlines to consume this crap as if it were more important than breathing oxygen, putting food on the table, or making the mortgage payment.

Dear Anonymous Alticor Tooth Fairy, thank you for leaving your dime under my pillow. Amway product and tools are indeed crap; thanks for confirming what I already knew. I can sleep peacefully now, knowing that even Amway thinks their products and tools are crap! I had already proven that to my own satisfaction because those training materials that the kingpin distributors sell for 'top dollar' to their downlines, only sell for pennies on the dollar on eBay--that is if they even get a bid at all. Tex-the used tool lord--can't possibly afford to buy them all even at their penny a pound price; therefore, lack of demand drives their yard sale-like price. EBay tool sellers most likely make more off of their shipping charges than from the product being auctioned. If for chance anyone happens to take a look see at the eBay offerings in the Amway/Quixtar category, you will also discover that Amway/Quixtar products are also being offered up at the same yard sale cut-throat prices as well. Makes me wonder why Amway believers are willing to take such a 'bath' on these supposedly wonderful--supposedly high quality--badly overpriced products? I guess the sellers probably discovered the products and tools really are CRAP exactly as the Amway tooth fairy describes them.

When the dream dies, the appetite for Amway craps dies along with the dream. Word Up! - quixtarisacult

Amway/Quixtar Financial holocaust: Are We Doomed to Repeat It?

A sad situation seems to exist in our country. People are forgetting history—specifically as it relates to Amway as well as history in general. I know I chuckle many times as I watch the Tonight Show's Jay Leno doing his Jay Walking segment where he asks people he encounters on the street the simplest of questions. The wrong answers and lack of knowledge may strike Jay's audience as funny, and I know I chuckled at these people also. The funnier of the bunch end up on Jay's Battle of the Jay Walking All Stars (which is very funny also), but topics involving the simplest of historical fact, and the lack of any understanding makes me wonder what exactly is being taught in our schools, or why modern students and younger citizens pay so little attention?

Amway is a historical fact and for people to deny the fact of Amway's rolling failure rate and portray the opportunity as a success is a fraud. For anyone to sell Amway on their fellow citizens promotes and continues this fraud. The truth is widely known by many people, but the Amway opportunity myths persist. Amway apologists seek to, invert reality, present the plan as a historically successful opportunity and deny the financial loss of millions of past and present Amway 'distributors'. The failure rate of Amway adherents generally exceeds 99%. Amway is an opportunity for Amway and top of the pyramid Kingpins to build their own personal fortunes while the majority lose money in an affair where the losers believe they are operating their own business!

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana

Amway apologists want to keep their scheme moving forward by supposedly bamboozling a public that 'quixley' forgets the past. Even Amway's recent commercial blitz is an attempt to make younger potential recruits (customers) believe that Amway Global has successfully helped millions own their own business--while they (by contractual fine print) actually control almost every detail. (Independence in Amway is nearly non existent; with your only independence being whether to work their business or to not.) Amway hopes to succeed in the reputation rebuilding efforts because people don't know the real facts, while Amway PR attempts to promote myth as fact, fiction as truth; thereby committing fraud of titanic proportions. In light of this, the use of the words 'financial holocaust' to describe the history of Amway is indeed correct. The 'holocaust' should not be confused with the word 'genocide' as author David Brear has personally pointed out to me in a recent email.

Amway wants people to believe that Amway Global isn't your Dad and Mom's soap business and escape their distributor's historical failures. They hope to succeed because of the vast amount of gullible 'jay walking' people who might believe their 'reality inverting myths' and keep their 'money extracting schemes' rolling forward. Our government's sleeping watchdog regulators sit on the sideline and allow this situation to continue to their own shame! I have pointed out the shortcomings of the FTC before. Click here for more background information on the failures of regulation.

Amway cultists view the DeVos and Van Andel initiators as gods, to be held in reverence. How does this differ any differently from those who do the same for Sun Myung Moon, David Koresh, or the now deceased scientologist, L. Ron Hubbard?

Amway does real harm, making it a pernicious (harm doing) cult; L. Ron Hubbard and Jay Van Andel are both deceased, but their heirs are carrying on their pernicious affairs. Amway cult Initiators funnel money into the pockets of people who help them keep their operation in business. Tactics being used by the Unification Church as well as by deceased mobsters like Al Capone. How quickly leaders are to forget how scoundrels operate and how quickly they are to accept graft. Recently president W came calling on the living Amway cult initiator, Richard DeVos, with his hand out for the Republican party. Shame on W, and what a pitiful circumstance of democracy being sold out in favor of the American Scam.

Just as Michael Corleone The Godfather sought to take his crime family's affairs legit in the famous movie, so do the Initiators of Amway who seek to make their sordid affairs appear legitimate as well. It is a matter of perceptions. Amway seeks to mold the perceptions of what they hope is a naive public. They seek to invert reality and promote the myths that make their pernicious affair work--at least for them!

To prevent a harmful past from ever being repeated, the post Nazi German government has long since passed laws which prevent Nazi apologists--like David Irving--from 'inverting reality' and denying the Holocaust occurred as a historical fact.

Isn't it significant that modern Amway apologists like Robin Luymes, David Steadson, Scott Johnson, Steve Lieberman, Bridgett Baron, Beth Dornan (and many, many others) seek to present Amway myths as truth and deny Amway's financial holocaust today? They indeed inhabit the same intellectual bunker as David Irving and promote Amway myths as fact. This sordid situation should be sensationalized! Making the author of this blog or David Brear the 'issue' in a 'kill the messenger analogy' only serves to aid and succor Amway--who benefits when those who would oppose them choose to instead quibble over semantics. I would hope readers would agree or disagree with the ideas expressed herein on their merits (rather than going off on a intellectual tantrum over the use of the 'holocaust' analogy.)

"We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin

Tool Kingpins Spend Millions To Defend Themselves Against Pyramid and Racketeering Allegations! IBO Aren't You Involved in Their Corruption?

It is fortunate that being a tool kingpin is such a lucrative affair because it takes millions of dollars to defend ones self from pyramid scheme and racketeering charges! This happens to be the current state of affairs that the Quixtar/Amway Global tool kingpins find themselves in. Seems that Alticor and these tool kingpins have been named in so many legal actions that I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the complexities these merchants of deceit must find themselves facing. For instance, one case: Pokorny et. al. Vs Quixtar et. al. Case Number C 07 0201 is just one of many suits that threatens the very existence of Quixtar and the money extracting pyramids of greed the kingpins operate. Pokorny sums up many of the corruption allegations I have described these kingpins of corruption of being involved in. The suit against the company and the kingpins can be read by clicking here. Remember that this is just one of many corruption suits being brought against these folk.

Recently Orrin Woodward, former Quixtar tool kingpin, left a comment on this blog that became subject of a August 20, 2008 post which can be read by clicking here. Orrin says, as a result of the cap MonaVie has placed on tool revenues, he made only two million dollars from his extensive Team “tool and function” business, ALL OF WHICH IS GOING TO PAY LEGAL FEES!

In the face of the profits Quixtar tool kingpin types realize from their money extracting pursuits, aren't lawyers actually reaping much of the ill gotten gain these corrupt dons rake in? I can't say I feel sorry for these crooked folk who deserve to be sitting at the defendant's table and who must dish out their cash to legal firms to keep their teat from being rolled through the legal wringer.

For distributors dreaming to be like these supposedly successful kingpins, IS THIS SOMEONE YOU WANT TO EMULATE? IBO, isn't this your money going into the hands of these merchants of deceit? Isn't it also your money that is going into the rat hole these lawyers represent? Wouldn't your money be better kept in your pocket rather than going to support large scale corruption? Shouldn't this be a moral issue for you also? You are funding corruption just the same way cocaine addicts fund corrupt Columbian drug lords!

The legal system has been described as grinding very slowly, but eventually juries will be sitting in judgment of these tool kingpin defendants. IBO, aren't these Juries also going to be indirectly sitting in judgment of you for supporting this corruption by your continual funneling of your money to these racketeering kingpins? Aren't you involving yourself in corruption? “Now You Know!”

Lawyers view these Quixtar executives and tool kingpin distributors as having deep pockets because of all the money they extract from you Mr. & Mrs. IBO. An ideal situation for them. There is much filthy lucre to be gained by lawyers on both sides of the numerous litigation that Amway and the tool kingpins are currently involved in no matter who is doing the suing and who is being sued! Everyone is a loser in these legal affairs except for the lawyers who will obviously come out on top in a bad situation for everyone else including you, the duped distributor. Is it any wonder Amway maintains such a high “Jay Factor” price on all its products? Amway wants to pass on all the cost of these legal proceedings onto their “independents” which become less “independent” when they have to saddle the cost of paying the Alticor lawyers as well as the tool scammer lawyers as well.

Amway Global Cult Intervention must urge people involved with these kingpin defendants to do the right thing and get out of the business of funneling money to these pyramid scheming racketeers; make a moral decision not to knowingly be involved with them. These kingpins are morally corrupt and people supporting them must also question their own involvement. Many times these kingpin distributors represent themselves as Christian businessmen, but in the face of what can be known about them and their operations, would a Christian really want to be involved with these merchants of deceit? Isn't greed at the heart of their perversion of faith, and do they not preach a different gospel?

Dirty Little Secrets of Their Little Quixtar Cult PART II

To continue the woe of the tool kingpin expose, again Big Hat reveals some information that made me understand the connection between Quixtar Amway tool kingpins and down line distributors. Actually the Kingpins see the down line distributors as “yes”, of all things "DISTRIBUTORS" of the "Tools for Fools literary club. "The Business Cult” down line distributors are roped into doing the bidding of their cult leaders kingpins in this scheme.

Big Hat tells me a few things from time to time. He is of the opinion that the Kingpins are doing way more to promote a utter fleecing of the sheep then I'd ever have imagined possible. The insider information seems to point at a particular "near-soldier" in the "organization". At this point I must stop to remind you that the kingpin's organization has been described as being structured similarly to that of the syndicate, which in my opinion, is reason enough not to become involved in a Quixtar Amway opportunity anything; indeed this goes for nearly any MLM scheme many of which operate like a cousin Vinnie to Amway.

A dirty little secret is that there are these "near soldier" folks who are out pushing their own agenda onto the "over-sold" dream believers. This is a continual pushing of the tools, the mostly useless propaganda and blarney that the cult is instructed to believe (regardless whether it actually does more harm than good). These types of people act like a baby vultures. You might say these baby vultures could be comparable to drug pushers. Tool Kingpin after all secretly advocate their own greedy interests while trying to make the "Independent Business Owners" believe they are advocating their success: quite a duplexity! The tool scam has been outed and continues to be a problem of ever concern for kingpin panderers of deceit.

An article on Forbes “Climbing To The Top" has shed some light on just how kingpins like bad boy Orrin Woodward works. This article Dirty Little Secrets of Their Dirty Little Quixtar cult part II is well ahead of the curve. I would have to say that Monavie sure got a black eye from the Forbes Article, and just like being in the ring at a prize fight, you can get a nice head-butt from the guy in front who took a full shot if you know what I mean. And that is what happened to Amway., and since Amway was standing right behind, Amway got a black eye too. That is how I describe this situation. I am not going to try and spin it like others might. It is just another major embarrassment for both companies. These people after all are not angels. Former Am-Kingpin Woodward shines light on a very nasty situation going on in Quixtar. I call it the tools for the fools club.

The recent tool scam and revelations made by Big Hat, and now this Forbes article just goes to show that there is a stir in cyberspace, that the tool scam is being widely circulated. As the Quixtar environment heats up with the reputation rehab ad campaign so does the pace of critical notice. It would seem that our government agencies are tangled up in red tape and are unwilling or unconcerned enough to step in and do something about it. One thing I can tell you for certain is that the fleecing of all the lambs still continues. The kingpins are the turkey vultures sitting on their money perch who look down on their valley of duped carrion and feel smug that they are the only real winners in a cruel game where nearly everyone else are losers in the long and short of things. These are secrets that your up line does not want you to know and part of the dirty little secrets of their little Quixtar Cult horror story expose.

The tool scam, the product scam, and the business cult scam are reason enough to stay far removed from Amway anything; Quixtar sucks, Amway sucks, Alticore sucks, and I would be very skeptical about even MonaVie nosing in for a nipple? Which seems to suck a little too! Amway Global Cult Intervention serves to help mankind become free of pernicious business cults. People are being harmed and flushed routinely by these meat grinders of a business, which is really front for the cult and as every one knows, nothing good goes on in a cult.

Amway Global Cult Intervention continues to pull the rug out from under these Amway Genies. There may be a lot of other reasons to not to want to waste you time on Amway, but these tool kingpin scoundrels are one of the biggest! Orrin may be bragging but he pulled the covers off of these other greedy kingpins and their money making machine that the Quixtar cult drones keep walking through. Beware of Amway!

Amway Sucks! Quixtar Sucks! Alticor Sucks! See Tracy Coenen's Fraud Files Article On The Truth About Amway

The Administrator of Fraud Files, Tracy Coenen, has written a article on her website describing the Quixtar/Amway business opportunity. You can read it by clicking the title to todays post or by clicking here.

Tracy has gone a long way toward exposing the Quixtar/Amway Tool Scam and it will only be through concerted efforts of people like Tracy, the news media, and every day people to get the word out about these scammers and the games they play.

People can actually believe in the dreams and deceptions of this "Business" Cult. That is what fuels the billions of dollars this company extracts from their barely legal pyramid scheme. Add to that the money the Tool Kingpin scammers fleece and one can see the harm done. These people turn around and use this money to buy influence in our government to keep their scheme operating. Their focus is to now proselytize dreamers in emerging countries of the world where the true nature of their bad biz isn't understood. The American Scam is an embarrassment to this country much the same way as the Nigerian Check Scam is to that country.

Internet Critics, Bloggers and concerned citizens leaving comments go a long way to "Getting the word out." Our governmental agencies are not concerned about shutting these con men down, so the next best thing is make truth about Amway very public.

Quixtar Cult Intervention exists to provide a place where people who have been harmed by the Business Cult to come, learn, and express views. A coven of online cult imbued Ambots exists and congregate at the industry INSIDER web forum. These folk may be too far gone to help, but exposure to their own "Dirty Little Secrets" may make many begin to question their maybe not so great opportunity. I urge present IBO readers to fully examine the Tool Scam information in previous posts, and to see what another IBO has revealed about the lying cowardly kingpins.